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Old 18th March 2007, 10:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pricing Info and 7:40's at the ring!

Not sure if this has already been posted or not (I got this off another forum, but it was published in a magazine, so hopefully it's accurate!):

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Hello !! I am glad to find this topic and hopefully I can help Japanese translation... I work in NYC and picked this magazine (called "Best Car Magazine Plus" Apr/5 issue) at Japanese bookstore only a block from my office. Sorry if my English is not perfect but at least you figure out what this magazine describes.

Nissan GT-R will debut at Tokyo Motor Show on Oct/24. Price is confirmed at 6,600,000 Yen = USD 55,932 (USD 1 = 117 Yen as of 3/16). This is much less than we expected, IT'S A BARGAIN !!

New GT-R is currently being tested at Nürburgring North Course since last fall and has beaten best time of Porsche 997 GT3 (7:42). The article does not list lap time of GT-R, but quicker than 7:40? For reference please see below. You can have idea of how fast new GT-R runs. (Nordsch...test lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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Current Miscellaneous Lap Records: OEM Passenger Vehicles & Sport Racers

6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 11/05)
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, de:Patrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 12/04)
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1432 kg (Gemballa)
7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16.4, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h) (Autobild 07/04)
7:?? - Nissan GT-R R35
7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:43 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, 512 PS/1419 kg, Jan Magnussen, 2005/06/23 (news release, pictures)
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres)[citation needed]
7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)


GT-R will have 3 versions - Stock, V Spec, and Evo Spec. Evo version will be sold a year after of stock debut = Oct/2008 in Japan, it will be limited production, and not sure if Evo model will be sold in US. All models has same engine spec 3.8L Twin Turbo (not 3.7L), VQ37HR 450hp 50.0kgm but Evo will have carbons all around & 2 seats (i/o 4seats) super light weight and comes with carbon disk (option). R35 will be made as the fastest production car in Nürburgring. Price: Stock USD55,932 (in Japan), V Spec USD68,376 (estimate), Evo Spec USD85,470 (estimate). Price of Evo is far below Porsche 997 GT3, around USD 120,000-130,000 range?
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Old 19th March 2007, 01:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Grazie,
Actually as told before, we should not trust anything from Best Car magazine . . . they are the japanese version of the Sun, but for cars . . . they will write that Godzilla eat the new GTR, if it could sell their magazine . . .

Despite that, they do sometimes hit the truth with their speculations . . .
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Old 19th March 2007, 07:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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997 GT3 was target from beginning. apparently, they are achieving this goal.
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Old 19th March 2007, 09:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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and why not? the R32 stood Group A on its head and set the 'Ring record, why wouldn't Nissan do it again?
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and why not? the R32 stood Group A on its head and set the 'Ring record, why wouldn't Nissan do it again?
Under 7:40 for under $56K...I'll take two! Not really sure that's realistic, but it would be awesome!!!

I have seen the mid $50K price a couple times though...
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Old 19th March 2007, 11:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if they're that much I'll be handing my deposit over as soon as they'll take it.
Fairly sure they'll be a lot more though.
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even quicker than 7:00s.
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To be frank I think this is bull..

But does anybody know how fast the new 911 Turbo is at the Ring?

Isn't the Turbo slower then the GT3 which did 7:42?
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7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42* - 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05),

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expect the GT-R to run faster than the GT3 Porsche, perhaps even equaling or surpassing the Carrera GT's time.
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Wow if the new 997 Turbo is 7:40 I believe the new GTR could be as quick or even quicker

There are flamewars all over the American car forums about the new GTR vs. the Vette Z06. If the time is right it would be a bad news for the Vette fans
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yes^^^ indeed, what i'm saying is that the GT-R is going to be at a Carrera GT level of performance, not the GT3 level. they're building a super car in an idiom resembling the Z-Tune R34 --a car introduced to establish dominance and a foreshadowing of impending slaughter.

i see quite a few others whom are reluctant to call it like this, or are in disbelief or overly skeptical, naysaying. and those unconvinced will be in a for a little surprise. corvette is going to be taken to slaughter. as much as i respect the LS series engines (i own a 2006 Pontiac GTO with the LS2), it will not stand much of a chance against the "R35" or "BNC36" Nissan GT-R, not in overall performance of chassis and engine.

this means, too, that Aston Martin is going down again. C6-R Corvette has been dominating Aston in LeMans. as a Nissan GT-R aficianado, i am more concerned with Porsche Carrera GT and Bugatti.
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what i'm saying is that the GT-R is going to be at a Carrera GT level of performance
It would be nice if you were right but I think that you are being incredibly optomistic there.
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what i'm saying is that the GT-R is going to be at a Carrera GT level of performance
It would be nice if you were right but I think that you are being incredibly optimistic there.
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It would be nice if you were right but I think that you are being incredibly optimistic there.
7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)

if the GT-R makes or approaches this, that is plenty of room to embarrass the 997tt, GT3, and put further pressure on Porsche's poster child of production performance. even if it makes 7:38, that would create the required uproar. it would be nipping at the heels of Carrera GT --exactly the outrageous blasphemy that we need.
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If it helps:
The new GTR will be a fast car, fast around the Ring-not the fastest, but defo the fastest car price-performance probably.
In addition to that, the world has not only sunny days, especially not the Ring, theses are usually the times where Carrera GT&co are sitting in the hot garages, and the GTR is running against rain and thunder . .
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i just got an updated Carrera GT Ring time:


7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)

i doubt the GT-R will debut at that level, but i stick by the 7:37 or 7:38 debut time out of the box. that will create excellent press coverage about how the GT-R did not just barely beat the 997tt and GT3, but instead slaughtered them outright.

then over the 4 years of it's generation cycle, the lap times will only improve.
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This car is indeed very exciting, looking foreward to seeing it finalized. should be really great! Indeed id like to see it go above the Z06, mainly cause, i want some of those guys to stop treating Japanese cars without respect, such close minded thinking is very sad.
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i maintain that the GT-R must go beyond the Z06 or the debut of the new GT-R will be a "so what" kind of a thing. the GT-R should also not just "barely keep up with" other makes --it must make headlines and this includes making better Nurburgring times than both Porsche 997tt, GT3, and Z06.

if the GT-R does not do this, it will be an embarrassment to Nissan and the long wait will have been very anti-climactic and "who cares." Nissan is aware of this reality.
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It would be nice if you were right but I think that you are being incredibly optimistic there.
Like what he said x2
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