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I've been looking at purchasing a GTR for some months now but finally got business and finances in order and ready to commit now.

Some of my concerns relate to the significant variances in used prices currently from either trade or private sellers. In recent years I have lost big $$ on a new Corvette Z06 due to forced circumstances and want to avoid a big loss this time. So I have no problem with depreciation (I will budget 20% depreciation per year) but clearly have a wish to buy as "clever" as possible in these uncertain times.

My queries is the perceived value, in 12 months time, between a 2009 (09) non-Nav car against a nearly new 2009 (59) Sat-Nav car. It is "finger in the air" guessing but I would appreciate any thoughts.

I'm looking for a UMS car and would pay premium over other colour. I like the black edition aethetics and again will pay more against the Premium models.

Currently prices seem to be circa £57,500-list for a used (delivery mileage)Sat/Nav car and circa £52,000 for a 09 June black editiion car with 2,000 miles on the clock. In your opinion will £5,500 premium hold up in 12 months time??

Retail used prices for Black Editions seem to be £1k more than Premium Models and £2-3k more than standard models. Do you think this is reasonable.

When transferring ownership do you need to register the new owner with Nissan or a HPC to get the same benefits, e.g pick-up and collection for servicing?

BTW - Great board with very few idiots and huge amount of passion for these stunning cars. I hope to be a lucky fellow owner shortly.
Thanks for any advise.
 

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The new supply profile of this vehicle is something like this.

Essentially 2 slugs of 750 ish cars; non nav from April 09, then the nav backbook of orders delivering from September 09, which is, I believe, a similar number.

There is then ongoing new sales; |I've heard a figure of 250 a year, for new car sales.

There is clearly unsold new car and used supply available; I have no idea how big either of these are though.

I suspect the bulk delivery of nav and non nav cars has had the effect of amplifying the natural number of cars that won't sell or get sold on; clearly there are 'can't afford its', speculatory sales and people who don't gel with it and there is the economy.

Overall supply looks low though and residuals ought to be good; that said, a 60 grand Nissan may always be a niche market
 

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I've been looking at purchasing a GTR for some months now but finally got business and finances in order and ready to commit now.

Some of my concerns relate to the significant variances in used prices currently from either trade or private sellers. In recent years I have lost big $$ on a new Corvette Z06 due to forced circumstances and want to avoid a big loss this time. So I have no problem with depreciation (I will budget 20% depreciation per year) but clearly have a wish to buy as "clever" as possible in these uncertain times.

My queries is the perceived value, in 12 months time, between a 2009 (09) non-Nav car against a nearly new 2009 (59) Sat-Nav car. It is "finger in the air" guessing but I would appreciate any thoughts.

I'm looking for a UMS car and would pay premium over other colour. I like the black edition aethetics and again will pay more against the Premium models.

Currently prices seem to be circa £57,500-list for a used (delivery mileage)Sat/Nav car and circa £52,000 for a 09 June black editiion car with 2,000 miles on the clock. In your opinion will £5,500 premium hold up in 12 months time??

Retail used prices for Black Editions seem to be £1k more than Premium Models and £2-3k more than standard models. Do you think this is reasonable.

When transferring ownership do you need to register the new owner with Nissan or a HPC to get the same benefits, e.g pick-up and collection for servicing?

BTW - Great board with very few idiots and huge amount of passion for these stunning cars. I hope to be a lucky fellow owner shortly.
Thanks for any advise.
Hello Mate,
Im in a similar position as yourself at the moment. Im contemplating a low mileage premium car, in silver, if i can get it. I priced a new nav car a few weeks ago, and that was around £61k, with tracker and parking sensors. The secondhand ones im looking at, are around £51k, to start with, so, £10k difference right away, although no nav, but im not interested in the nav. I would expect the prices to fall further over the next few winter months, but not by a massive amount. You could wait forever, for the right price etc, but if you buy with your head at the beginning, i think you are onto a winner, and not have the remorse of blowing a lot of dough on a new car. Ive also had enough of doing that. My other car of interest to me is a 997 turbo, but the cars i would be happy with, are all above £70k, so potentially over £20 more again, and for what ?. Im not a badge snob, and as far as everything ive read, and done my homework on, the GT-R does have the legs on the Porsche. Also, my last couple of cars have had DSG type gearboxes in them, which are very addictive if thats your thing. Im hanging around for just the right secondhand car, and again, reading everything i can on the GT-R, as regards, warranty issues, servicing and tyre prices etc. The GT-R can almost seem to be to good to be true at times, but the more i delve and glean from the internet, all appears to be genuine. Let us know how you get on, regards, SIMON.
 

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Hope you find the right car, theyre great.
Just out of interest if you found the right car would the fact that it had an Access port installed put you off a second hand purchase or not
 

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Hi

Hope you find the right car, theyre great.
Just out of interest if you found the right car would the fact that it had an Access port installed put you off a second hand purchase or not
Hi Maxxwaxx,
If im entirely honest, i would always want to buy a standard car to begin with, especially the GT-R, as i know it would keep me entertained performance wise, for quite a while. Im not saying i wouldnt download the access port onto the car myself, because ive modified cars in the past with Superchips and the like, but i would like a standard car starting point, regards, SIMON.
 

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Hi Simon,
I agree with your views against 911 TT. I've tried both cars on numerous occasions and GTR certainly holds it's own in terms of driver enjoyment. The Porsche does have a good feeling about it in terms of quality and build but I can't really see a reason to spend anymore money other than brand / badge issues. Frankly my choice will be to go away from an elite brand like Porsche as my customers respond in different ways to me turning up in a 911!
What I can say is that the used 911 will be more reliable in depreciation than the GTR as the market has yet to show it's "card". All I need to do is avoid the catastrophic depreciation I experienced with the ZO6 which has left a "scar" on my time with that car.

Access Port - Personally I agree with Simon, I would buy a standard car and modify to personal taste if felt necessary.
Black Edition - Any feeling on perceived value over a Premium Model?
 

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no additional perceived value for a Black over Premium in my eyes (unless you like the over-fussy red strips on the seats) - either a second hand Premium version is a bargain or the second hand Black versions are over-priced by £1k (if your analysis is representative)
 

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Black Edition - Any feeling on perceived value over a Premium Model?
In my opinion this choice has always been down to personal preference, and should never have had any financial figure associated with it.

Do you want want a) dark grey wheels, or b) the same wheels in an almost imperceptibly darker shade of grey?

Do you want a) black seats, or b) the same seats with a red stripe?

Do you want a) grey headlining or b) black headlining?

If your answers were mostly b) then that'll be another £1,000ish please!

Originally, there was more distinction when the wheel choices were between silver (for Base and Premium) and the eventual Premium Edition grey wheel colour (for the Black Edition), but still not enough to justify the additional cost.

Having said that, most people went for the Black Edition so at least one of those "b" choices above must have been a real pull for the majority of buyers. Hmmm, I've just looked at them again and I still can't see which one! :confused:
 

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Supraman I agree with your views re: black edition cars but unfortunately if you wanted exterior black colour you did not have a choice.
 

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Black paint was available in all models of non-nav.... (it was only the alloys that were only available in black, on the black edition)
 

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Ok CC, thanx for that info.

Did not know that .I was looking at the details for a new car in July and from my reading thought Kuro Black was only available in the black edition. In the end I went for showroom demonstrator, because I did not want wait and didn't regard sat nav essential. Ah well too late !! could have saved and spent that money on an y pipe and AP.
 

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LOL!

Clocked off from my garage around 6 tonight!

Deffo past my bedtime...!
 

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Supraman I agree with your views re: black edition cars but unfortunately if you wanted exterior black colour you did not have a choice.
Oh yeah! That's an important point that I missed. I guess that is one of the primary reasons that so many people went for the Black Edition. It still doesn't justify the price increase though, because the paint isn't different. In fact, the consensus from detailers seems to be that the black paint is thinner than the other colours, so the Black Edition should actually have been cheaper. ;)
 

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Black paint was available in all models of non-nav.... (it was only the alloys that were only available in black, on the black edition)
Sorry CC, but I don't think that's right. I've never heard that before and I haven't seen a single person with a black Base Edition or Premium Edition.
 

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Oh yeah! That's an important point that I missed. I guess that is one of the primary reasons that so many people went for the Black Edition. It still doesn't justify the price increase though, because the paint isn't different. In fact, the consensus from detailers seems to be that the black paint is thinner than the other colours, so the Black Edition should actually have been cheaper. ;)
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Speaking with Paul of Ultimate Shine he was mentioning that the black paint is so soft it will be very difficult to keep swirl/mar free in the long term. He finds them difficult to them detailed.
 

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Sorry CC, but I don't think that's right. I've never heard that before and I haven't seen a single person with a black Base Edition or Premium Edition.
Mmmm.

I'm just going off the colours I could have had when I placed my order. I had initially placed a Black Premium, but changed to Titanium Black edition when I saw the car used for the Topgear at Middlehursts. Didnt like the wheels/paint combo.

Car pranged by Topgear Mag..





Maybe when the spec changed, Nissan informed anybody who ordered black that they could only have it in the Black edition?

Sorry if I've got it wrong, I was just going off when I placed my order in May 08..... :eek:
 

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I am now worried about the kruro black exterior colour and I don't have a garage.


Those people who have kruro black cars how is the paintwork holding up so far?
 
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