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Hope your R33 is now rebuilt after our little battle at Bruntingthorpe in February this year. Did you ever discover why the engine let go, and to what extent was the damage? Perhaps with your new engine installed you will be up for a rematch? :D

Having spent some time reading this board, I have also noticed lots of bhp figures being bandied about, but was wondering how these are confirmed. I remember you were claiming 700ish bhp from 28psi, but was unsure how you knew this? Does anyone ever put their cars on rolling roads, or are the majority of figures what the cars are "supposed" to have with these modifications? If anyone else can answer this, please feel free.

In the meantime, I would just like to say that your Skyline is one of the nicest I have seen and had all the drool worthy bits on. 0-60 in 3.8s is also not shabby for such a heavy old girl! ;)

Does Davey Jones post on here (the owner of the legendary Hyper Lemon JUN R33)? As that is also a mega-car that does not seem to be featured enough IMHO.

I will be at Snetterton on 25th November, so would love to exchange passenger rides with anyone who is willing....:D
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How true was the article in REVS about "the beast" when Dennis owned the car ? I seem to remember 211mph being mentioned - and the whooping of a McLaren.....

As for figures, the guys here had a rolling road day recently, "the beast" reaching 650bhp and Ruperts putting out 630-640bhp (although it reached a higher figure running more boost the day before).

I'm sure the guys here will give you more information...I am just a mere "fan".........

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Glad I didn't know that at the time.....!

Daz,
All I can say is that I am glad that I didn't know that this was Denis' old car, as I would have been well pooing my pants :eek:. I was already nervous when I heard claims of 750bhp being bandied about when we turned up, let alone had I thought that it was the car that had done an alleged 211mph at Brunters on a previous occasion!

Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for Rupert), there was a horrendous head wind for a start. In fact this was so bad that an RST that had done 149.9mph on a previous occasion with 165bhp @ wheels only managed 0.2mph faster with an extra 30bhp @ wheels!

The headwind was brilliant for air charge temps, but obviously a hinderance to top speed. Rupert had numerous runs (and it sounded the absolute nuts) each time attempting to come round the bottom bend that little bit faster to carry as much speed as possible up the straight. He could only get 172.5mph in the conditions on the day but kept trying to improve this and tried a bit too hard to go as fast as possible round that corner, as he got horrendous oil surge (blew it out everywhere), which sounded like it threw the crank out (horrendous death rattle after the last run).

I managed to get 180.6mph on that day, although this was achieved on the third run and we could have gone faster, but as no other Sapphire had ever been timed above 180, the timing boys felt that the day was done and that they could go home, so they left as soon as this was achieved.....:(

An R1 only managed to do 176.3mph in the same distance....:D

Went back on a hot day in May (30°C ambients) and managed to get 180.9mph and we will be going back in the New Year to see if we can better that, as I have hit 184-5mph since then, but this was not verified with the timing gear...:D
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Sounds like it was an "entertaining " day to say the least :D

What's been done to the cossie to get those sorts of speeds / figures ? The most tuned i've heard of are the Reyland Escort Cossie and the grey Sierra Cossie that'd done 172mph last time i'd heard anything.

Bet she fish tails a bit eh !?!

Have any of the skyline boys ever done anything like top speed runs other than the cars mentioned ? Be interested to see what sort of figures people have achieved. My GTI-R has a possible 160 to 165 in it TOPS (from what people have achieved).....personally I wouldn't want to try it - even on a private airstrip.

I take it bruntinghthorpe is pretty flat then ? Wouldn't want to be bumping around at those sorts of speeds !!

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Reyland Escort - THE DADDY

Guy,
Thanks for the welcome. I tried to word my post as carefully as possible, but I'm glad you got the gist of what I was trying to ask. I also commend you on your moves to dispel the bull that surrounds the majority of tuneable cars. I see it my mission to do the same for the Cosworth image, as most people seem to think that every Cosworth has 500bhp, whereas there are probably only a handful in the country that have a true 500+bhp.

I had hoped that you would be organising a day as Stewart Harrison ("800bhp" R32) had mentioned that you were doing something and I was hoping that we could get a few 180mph+ Cossies to tag along to that...:D


Daz,
The Relyand Escort has just done 187.7mph and is on the front cover of Performance Ford. His engine is similar to mine (built to the old Grp A touring car spec), but is a little less powerful, which is why we think that in ideal conditions mine should do 190, as the Sapphire is more aerodynamic than the Escort.

That "grey" Sapphire that did 172 was mine and in those days it only had 385bhp....:D

In the wet she fish tales well into three figures...:eek:

Bruntingthorpe is a bumpy old concrete airfield, but is the best 1.8miles (apart from the A1M;)) available.... The VW proving ground five mile straight that the McLaren F1 did 241mph down would be nice...:D
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Cosse -v- Skyline shoot-out

Guy,
Get a list of cars with their specs and mail them to me, they must be capable (in your opinion) of topping 180. I will get the RS big boys together and I know a particular magazine that would be MORE than willing to cough up the £3.5k, as long as they can see that some genuinely fast cars are going to be in attendance.....:D

This would take place sometime in the new year - interested?
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Re: Speed

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As for the power, the 1000bhp GTRs are all parked next to the 500bhp Cossies, the 300bhp RS Turbos and the 350bhp Subarus, if you know what I mean (ie on the bar-stool in the pub)

I popped over to the rollers on Saturday to see the Imprezza day at Tuning Japanese. I think about 2 cars out of 30 made over 300bhp (most spectacular being the '350bhp one' that actually made 270bhp).....................needless to say I heard the phrase 'the rollers must be wrong' a few times and laughed quietly......
I hear alot of this talk and try to distance myself from it. I don't quote a BHP figure for my own car anymore as i genuinley do not know what it is producing (back in jan it produced 285bhp but started to det JUST prior to peak, so they lifted - it has since had a fair amount done by Mark at Abbey - and work is continuing.....I'd only sell it for a skyline....and that's down the road some).

It is unfortunate that people brandish figures around "willy-nilly" - but to some people that is the only way of understanding the performance of a car (they have no other understanding of a car's performance. i.e. a 300bhp rally car would be lowly to them, but we know that they have CRAZY torque figures and have performance that most people would die for).

Anyway, i'd be interested to hear of an event of the kind being spoken of happening - i'd go along to spectate, but not to run.

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Just so you know what you are up against...

Guy,
The list of the regulars...:D

Escort Cosworth 513bhp (Engine dyno) - 187.7mph (Datron confirmed)
Escort Cosworth 552bhp (Engine dyno) - Not tested yet
RS500 541bhp (Engine dyno) - 182.6mph (Datron confirmed)
Sierra Cosworth 500+bhp - 183.0mph (Datron confirmed)
Sapphire Cosworth 515bhp (Engine dyno) - 180.9mph (Datron confirmed)
Sapphire Cosworth 500+bhp - Not tested yet

Please note in case some of you were thinking of ridiculing these times as not being quick enough, that they were done at Bruntingthorpe on the recently restricted length of runway. The last few hundred metres has been cordoned off by tyres, as this is where Fiat is currently storing several hundred pre-registerd cars... Had the runway been fully open, then you could add 3-5mph to these speeds.....:p

There may be some more that would be willing, but this is the list of people that I know would be up for it, so you will need to get at least six cars as well...:D
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True & NO Bullshit
The Official time of 211mph was driven by Denis with Hero from HKS in the front seat & Gary(GT-ART) in the back seat!BTW Denis was smoking his roll-up as well as driving............!!!!!!!!!

Henry:smokin:

ps.Thats 0-211mph & back to zero in 2 miles.Those new to the Skyline GTR Forum may wish to visit GT-ART at their website for a brief history lesson.www.gtart.co.uk
 

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running weak

Guy
the car was not running weak
the boost was 1.8 bar
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Mike.

We wouldn't do that. We leave that upto plenty of others who do it regarding the Skyline. You guys have and do no doubt endure the same problems. I think all of us here have a big respect for the Pinto 2 litre and what it is capable off and it is good that these kind of events can happen and are held in good spirits.

Regarding the figure mentioned of six, I am sure that we should make our best efforts to provide you with the best of the bunch, and maybe more. Starters:

1. Gary at GT-ART with 'The Beast' (keep up the good dress sense Gary :D) R33 648bhp and climbing.

2. Rupert with 'The Wild One' (and that's just his hair) R33 653 bhp so far.

3. Mike Mr.OS Gieken 3 litre 'The Loud One' (110db mmmm) R33 undisclosed bhp, but a top car.

4. Ronnie/Mark 'The Essex One' (you'll know what I mean when you meet him) R33 undisclosed big bhp but more new parts floating over as we speak.

5. And in the YELLOW CORNER 'Scotlands Finest One' R33 Super Lemon. Already proven but I am sure would be up for a challenge.

6. Kiki/Nana from Option 'Far East Representatives One' R33 undisclosed BHP but giving plenty of notice will I am sure come and impress.

7. etc., Post Guy with your specs and BHP for inclusion. I say Guy because he is thorough and won't let anything slip past him. He's a bit of a bully :D .

So Mike this should make for a SUPERB event if all can make it.

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Gents,

I was just thinking, it would be interesting to have an acknowledge supercar try the same thing.

I wonder if David would be interested in his 355, as a comparison??
 

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On sunday whilst chatting to mark he said they had just recorded ruperts car at 712 BHP.
Best check with mark for official numbers.
Henry you got a number for Gary at GTART?
Gary you out there?
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Not Fast Enough

Scott.

By the sound of this it is going to be a very fast affair. No fun in blowing away a 355. I thought this was a challenge not a reference guide :confused: .

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While on the subject of other supercars would anyone object to a Porsche GT2 le mans race car attending??
Think the top speed on this motor is 241 mph but will check, Guy i will forward you a mail off list...

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