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I had my GTR for 3 years and it was a SVM 650R, loved it to bits but after 3 years I got bored and wanted something more special..

Speed is effortless in the GTR and one day I realised I didnt particularly want to go THAT fast on public roads..

Sold it and bought a manual V10 R8 in June this year.. I have not regretted it one bit, I have not found myself missing the GTR at all.. My R8 is now 610bhp with a DMS remap and Larini exhaust.. It is obviously slower than the 35, because of the incredible dual clutch gearbox that the GTR has..

In a nutshell, R8 = Feels more special, more fun to drive but not as quick.

I'd recommend it :thumbsup:

 

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R8 is a beautiful car but for me the trouble is that it runs the old A3/TT electronics. That means all the toys are about 8 years out of date and all run from the head unit. That means it doesn't have 7 digit postcode, and doesn't even run front parking sensors.

It makes the feel of the car very outdated for me and also it is due a replacement in the very near future.
 

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R8 is a beautiful car but for me the trouble is that it runs the old A3/TT electronics. That means all the toys are about 8 years out of date and all run from the head unit. That means it doesn't have 7 digit postcode, and doesn't even run front parking sensors.

It makes the feel of the car very outdated for me and also it is due a replacement in the very near future.
I came from a 09 GTR and the V10 R8 has way better sound system, nav etc.. It has Audi Advance Park too so has front sensors and rear view camera as well..

2010 onward R8's have an updated MMI headunit
 

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I had my GTR for 3 years and it was a SVM 650R, loved it to bits but after 3 years I got bored and wanted something more special..

Speed is effortless in the GTR and one day I realised I didnt particularly want to go THAT fast on public roads..

In a nutshell, R8 = Feels more special, more fun to drive but not as quick.
People often confuse speed and fun. They think buying faster means buying better.
A faster car isn't always more fun. :)
 

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People often confuse speed and fun. They think buying faster means buying better.
A faster car isn't always more fun. :)
my sentiments exactly :thumbsup:

but one mans bread is another mans bla bla, some people do need the speed for it to be fun
 

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my sentiments exactly :thumbsup:

but one mans bread is another mans bla bla, some people do need the speed for it to be fun
Funny thing is, I've done track days in a regular car and had just as much fun as in the R35. Really had a blast.
I just couldn't boast about how many posh cars I overtook afterwards. :chuckle:

As you say, we all want different things from our cars.
Hence me now getting an R32 GT-R.
 

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Having been out in several 650R GTR's and Andrew's R8, they are worlds apart and IMO R8 is more of a complete package, those modifications have made it into something quite spectacular.

Dont let one or a handful of bad reviews put you off, drive one for yourself. I've even considered getting a V8 version, bank says no for now, hopefully not long till promotion!
 

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Andrew mate, Shaun tells me your car sounds epic, which I can imagine it does with such an exhaust as they sound great even in stock mode :thumbsup:

Nice pic as well fella :bawling:
 

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I came from a 09 GTR and the V10 R8 has way better sound system, nav etc.. It has Audi Advance Park too so has front sensors and rear view camera as well..

2010 onward R8's have an updated MMI headunit
Will he get that on his £50k budget?

And tbe R8 isn't an mmi unit. It is headunit based with additional modules. Exactly like my TT. Didn't realise they put advanced parking in there, that means they'll have the visual parking aid too.

It's still nothing like the information display from the Gtr which itself is now a bit old.

Step in to a proper mmi 3G plus car with its own wifi hotspot and central control of the whole car and you'll know what I mean.

I love the R8 it's just really showing its age now.
 

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The R8 will be showing its age unless you consider the latest facelift version but that's prices closer to 100k bracket.

The GTRs interior hasn't actually changed much from 2009 though :p

For me the GTR will always be a benchmark. I know one day if my finances allow I'd definitely be back in one - I'm just keeping my eyes peeled for the next gen of GTRs.

One thing I've always found the GTR to be slightly lacking is the interior. Yes it is great but like Adam said still lacked some of the more modern features. In my opinion some of the interior trim quality could be improved too; other than that it's definitely a cracking car for the price and very tuneable too! Going to missed being in a turbocharged car :(
 

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If you spend 50 to 60K on a R8 and it has rattles and brakes screaching at traffic light, Door panels creaking, glove box lid falling off. dash board creaking when cold, engine mounts making a chirping noise like a budgie when you change gear, They even put 2 new calipers and discs on the front when it was 3 weeks old. they spent over 10K trying to put the car right and couldnt,
I had the car 6 months and 6000 miles which the dealer must of done half of that,
Audi gave me a Full refund and wouldnt build me another car the same spec but in yellow incase they had to have that back as well.
I own 2 Body shops and have been painting new and up to 3 year old audis for main dealers for the last 20 years,
Audi wont admit they have a problem car but go on R8 chat and see have badly they are made,
50/60 K i still woudnt put up with it but a new car , I think not
 

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Hi, as said in the title,thinking of making this change next year maybe! Has anyone done it firstly,if so any regrets? I no It's not going to have the raw acceleration or handling but I fancy a change for some reason and that's my next favourite option. Also I'm guessing the upkeep may be allittle more?
Hello Benny,

You are looking at a very nice car.

If you are looking to spend £50k then you can get a very nice V8 manual (better than R-Tronic imo), you can find them with low mileage, and loads of options including carbon blades (big ££ option).

The V8 chassis is better balanced than the V10 and they make an awesome noise, not as good as the V10 but awesome none the less.

The biggest problem we saw with these engines was the inlets coking up as the cars were used for lots of stop start short journeys and never really used in temper, the majority of these issues were big cities.

This is something we are now doing quite regularly for customers on V8 direct injections engines, remove the inlet manifolds, clean the inlet runners and fit an oil catch can system to stop the breather deposits gumming the back of the valves. You also have to make sure you are running the latest engine software as this lowers the amount of exhaust to inlet cam overlap and stops "internal EGR". This again is another cause of the valves gumming up and causing lack of power. Of course going for an APR remap etc is a good way to deal with it.

As for the creaking noises, as long as the cabin is not full of carbon inserts (which have no give) and you regularly Kritox the rubber seals on the doors and windows etc you will keep creaks etc down to a minimum. These can be obtained at your local Audi dealer easy enough.

The brakes, the CC brakes squeal because people treat them like steels. All CC brakes will squeal as the pad build up on the disc "hides" the carbon surface of the disc from the metallic elements in the pad...eventually you get pad material rubbing on pad material and you get squeal. This comes down to the transition between adhesive and abrasive braking (different braking effects on all cars hot to cold). The easiest way to deal with this is to get the brakes hot and then stamp on them as hard as you can.

We were running 12 R8's on track with CC and steel brakes and saw this kind of complaint regular, you just need to know how to manage the brakes.

Versus the GTR......its just an experience to drive! The GTR is very fast but you always feel like you are cocooned in trickery to help keep it doing what you want.

The R8 makes a noise that stands the hairs up on the back of your neck, you are low in the car, the gearshift feels slick and it is just a super car experience.

I have been in very very fast GTR's we have built the engines for and although the power is immense....the experience is lacking.

The new V10 with DSG is another level....have you seen the dyno advert we made?

I was the Audi UK R8 and RS technical development engineer for 5 years so know the R8's well. But now I am sat on the other side of the fence and tune them......want to drop a supercharger on it or twin EFR's?

Seriously though, if you are looking at buying one then let me know. I would be happy to talk you through what to look for, I even know of a few for sale as we do work on these quite a bit!

Any questions let me know!

Cheers Ricky
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I had an 09 plate Black edition GTR early last year then sold that, bought a Ferrari 360 spider, which although not anywhere near as fast was such an occasion to drive with the tubi exhaust, enzo carbon seats, gated gearbox etc! I then bought a Ibis White V10 spyder which I sold a few weeks ago after 6 months ownership and have got back into a 2010 GTR.

I also had a fair few niggly problems with the R8 all covered under warranty but it was in the Audi garage 4 times over the 6 months I had it. 1 fault a tyre pressure monitor system malfunction the could never solve and I just had to put up with the warning being on sometimes! That said it was a phenominal car to drive mine was a manual but it was lacking in noise and I wish I had put an aftermarket exhaust on the car to transform it. Prices are coming down nicely on the R8, I took a lovely V8 R8 in px on my V10 and drove it for a few days and was mightily impressed even after stepping straight out of a V10. When V10 manual coupes drop below £50k I will consider having another one and going the Larini exhaust route!

For fast A to B road use the GTR is just so effortless and thats why I got back into a GTR as my daily drive. The R8 got too much attention as did the Ferrari.
 

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Tranter.....a bit late now but do you know much about what Audi did to rectify the TPM issue?.....or try to??

Had an issue with a batch of sensors...could initialise them then they would just drop out!

On our track/race cars it didn't matter but I dealt with a number of high profile cases and a complete set of TPM sensors (the joy of R&R 4 tyres) and a software update on the TPM aerial control unit fixed it!
 

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Tranter.....a bit late now but do you know much about what Audi did to rectify the TPM issue?.....or try to??

Had an issue with a batch of sensors...could initialise them then they would just drop out!

On our track/race cars it didn't matter but I dealt with a number of high profile cases and a complete set of TPM sensors (the joy of R&R 4 tyres) and a software update on the TPM aerial control unit fixed it!
All they said was that they could not find a fault as it was intermittent and sods law usually wouldn't come up when it was at the dealers....
 

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All they said was that they could not find a fault as it was intermittent and sods law usually wouldn't come up when it was at the dealers....
Yeah feel for you with that!! Thats why lots of cases used to get escalated to be honest!

Customers spending £130k on a super car and getting fobbed off by a dealer used to selling £30k A4's.......

Part of the reason I am where I am now....there isn't really an RS/R8 specialist in the UK!

Poacher turned game keeper!! ;-)
 

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Hello Benny,

You are looking at a very nice car.

If you are looking to spend £50k then you can get a very nice V8 manual (better than R-Tronic imo), you can find them with low mileage, and loads of options including carbon blades (big ££ option).

The V8 chassis is better balanced than the V10 and they make an awesome noise, not as good as the V10 but awesome none the less.

The biggest problem we saw with these engines was the inlets coking up as the cars were used for lots of stop start short journeys and never really used in temper, the majority of these issues were big cities.

This is something we are now doing quite regularly for customers on V8 direct injections engines, remove the inlet manifolds, clean the inlet runners and fit an oil catch can system to stop the breather deposits gumming the back of the valves. You also have to make sure you are running the latest engine software as this lowers the amount of exhaust to inlet cam overlap and stops "internal EGR". This again is another cause of the valves gumming up and causing lack of power. Of course going for an APR remap etc is a good way to deal with it.

As for the creaking noises, as long as the cabin is not full of carbon inserts (which have no give) and you regularly Kritox the rubber seals on the doors and windows etc you will keep creaks etc down to a minimum. These can be obtained at your local Audi dealer easy enough.

The brakes, the CC brakes squeal because people treat them like steels. All CC brakes will squeal as the pad build up on the disc "hides" the carbon surface of the disc from the metallic elements in the pad...eventually you get pad material rubbing on pad material and you get squeal. This comes down to the transition between adhesive and abrasive braking (different braking effects on all cars hot to cold). The easiest way to deal with this is to get the brakes hot and then stamp on them as hard as you can.

We were running 12 R8's on track with CC and steel brakes and saw this kind of complaint regular, you just need to know how to manage the brakes.

Versus the GTR......its just an experience to drive! The GTR is very fast but you always feel like you are cocooned in trickery to help keep it doing what you want.

The R8 makes a noise that stands the hairs up on the back of your neck, you are low in the car, the gearshift feels slick and it is just a super car experience.

I have been in very very fast GTR's we have built the engines for and although the power is immense....the experience is lacking.

The new V10 with DSG is another level....have you seen the dyno advert we made?

I was the Audi UK R8 and RS technical development engineer for 5 years so know the R8's well. But now I am sat on the other side of the fence and tune them......want to drop a supercharger on it or twin EFR's?

Seriously though, if you are looking at buying one then let me know. I would be happy to talk you through what to look for, I even know of a few for sale as we do work on these quite a bit!

Any questions let me know!

Cheers Ricky
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Great post, very informative thank you!!
 

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Great post, very informative thank you!! Please point me in the direction of £50k v10 low miles I'd buy one!
Thanks Matt!! When I find a £50k V10...you will be second to know!! ;-)

If you aren't fussed on carbon blades, cabriolet and CC brakes they are coming down to good money!

One on auto trader for £58!!
 

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My brakes were steel not CC, they were woful ,, as for carbon interior, the glove box had no carbon at at but fell part within a week,
Then you won't people to spray something like WD 40 to stop door squeaking from new, What a load of BO//OX,
Not many people have ever spent over 100K on a car, and this is why i would never trust Audi again, Trying to jump in to a super car market then make excuses when they can't live up to their claims.

As you will also know then about the first lot of V10s engines going bang, as one of my friends V10 spider after 3 weeks,

R8 chat is the place to join and see how many people are lost for words on there.


PS if you buy one I've got a luggage set , that never even went in the car, & a R8 number plate that I've stuck on my Firms Transit for a laugh,
 
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