Mycroft - has it occurred to you that the fact I (and others) think you are wrong has nothing to do with the cars we drive or the forum which we "come from"?Mycroft said:Ah, 'handbags'...
This will not degenerate into some form of low-rent Supra Site vs Mycroft slagging match.
Much as that would please you as I have proven to be correct in what I say.
I think you have been warned once about just emotional outbursts, so please be part of the discussion not just some moronic claque applauding anything that isn't posted by me, in short son, GROW UP!
SDB said:I can't take any credit for the following as it was given to me by Damian Harty (who I will try to temp to post) as a great way to think about the dynamics of tyres... but it was (paraphrased) as follows...
The grip produced by a tyre should not be though of a single object creating friction. Each tread block (remind me to talk about slicks if I forget) is a block of rubber providing friction individually. As the tyre skews, so do they, the load on each one is slightly different, the angle of attack of each one is slightly different, and they all produce slightly difference amounts of friction.
So when a tyre is nearing it's limit, it is not the overall tyre that is simply starting not to work as well, but a greater percentage of the tread blocks letting go.. this is why a tyre starts to make noise even before it actually lets go.
So... whilst friction is part of the story, it cannot be taken as the entire explanation of how a tyre produces grip.
All the best
Mycroft said:Andyf, a question for you?
As the original poster of the question, tell us which side of this debate are you on, little ol' me or our good friend Simon and the multifarious cast of trolls projecting him forward as The Great White Hope?
[Just a time out for us to draw breath, breathe in... hold... and ... relax.]
[Edit... breathe out.]