No, you just got it wrong... slip not grip.Originally posted by SDB
Bare in mind, that I haven't "made this notion up" (about doubling the grip, blah). This is one of the key cornerstones of understanding in vehicle dynamics.
If you look at my very first post on the previous thread (and I probably mentioned it in the first on this thread also) it stated that there was a loophole in your statement that made it correct. Where do you get this "finally had to agree to". This was the first post I made on gtr.co.uk. The loophole is the fact that you are able to magically balance out all of the negatives of adding the mass. I then went later to quote a number of other irrational and fanciful examples to illustrate how ridiculous this notion was to the real world, and how irrelevant it was to the thread.I append the contention that you finally had to agree with...
No. If you take a car and simply add mass to it, it will (unless we think of specific silly examples) be slower.Then there is no doubt that if you do nothing else but add weight, then there is no debate, it will be slower.
Oh come on Mycroft. Don't be so silly. I have defined what I meant by grip many many times now. Everyone here knew exactly what I was talking about, and so did you. It's silly getting in to an argument about wording when we have covered so many other important things.slip not grip
Why is that Mycroft, because you've stated that I mean slip and not grip?Genuinely folks... the fat lady is howling at the top of her voice
Hah yeah I can just imagine that PM now...I will ask a moderator to edit the dross out of this which by all accounts will take it back to about 3 pages, it should stil hold some of Simons stuff as much of it is right and of value.
Hence my questionmark.Thorin said:Hey now, who said we were grown ups??
Do NOT mis-quote me. I described the book as "a superb resource", and later as essential reading.that book was described in less than glowing terms by Simon, who to paraphrase him believes it to be fit only for the novice.
Not the glowing endorsement I would expect as they are considered the standard by which any other is judged.Originally posted by SDB
...I bought milliken YEARS ago. It is basic reading for anyone interested in vehicle dynamics. Its *main* focus is on theoretical steady state physics which is used as a starting point for inexperienced chassis engineers to gain a base point understanding of vehicle dynamics.
It is clear to the majority of people here that this isn't simply an argument about the definition of "grip". To continually pull the discussion towards that is diversionary, and to use that as a basis for ending the thread with your customary "victory" speeches is premature.Mycroft said:Loki, you may not be aware of this but the grip/slip thing has been going on since the very begiining, I have almost endlessly re-iterated Simons statement in an effort to ensure his error was never in doubt.
I think I agree with that. As I said on page 8:SDB said:I have to say, it sickens me that I was ever involved in this thread ... and I am dissapointed in myself that I have commited so much time to dealing with you (Mycroft)
To which you merely replied that you do as you please and that I need a special permission to post a new threadClaudius said:Excuse me, but why are you coming here to tell Mycroft what he has to say and what not? And that about threatening him to ignore him is just plain ridiculous: you banned him from your forum and now join him in another forum (where he's been for a while and posted hundreds of messages) to pick on him in one of HIS threads!
I'm not getting in to this with you. Please email me, or (with Cem's permission) post a new thread.