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Hi everyone. I've loved Skylines since I was kid. I've looked at buying one on and off for 15+ years. I'm finally in a position where I can look a bit more seriously at it. I'll try and keep the post short, but covering my current thought processes.

  • R34's are off the table because of price.
  • Look-wise, I think it's R33 GTR favourite (or GTST with GTR bits), R32 GTR then R33 GTST in that order.
  • I could go to the sort of money the 32/33 GTR's are going for in the UK at the mo now, but I've never spent more than 8k on a car before, so it feels a bit scary.
  • This will be a third car, so probably 2-3k miles a year max. I'm not rich, the others are cheap'ish (sub 5k), but they're dailies that do a fair bit of mileage, so have never spent much on them because I didn't see the point if I was adding 15-20k miles a year to them
  • I'm not after crazy power. Somewhere around the 350BHP mark would do me. If I want something faster, I'll get a faster daily. The reason I'm looking at Skylines is for a fast old skool car, not something that would match/beat an R35. I would just really like to tick that classic RB2x engine/turbo/exhaust noise off once in my life.
  • I'm unlikely to track it. Again, I'd put something newer round a track if I ever do.
  • Of all the cars I've owned, I think the most "fun" I've had was in a 300BHP Calibra Turbo, closely followed by an Audi B5 S4 with a few tweaks (just so you know the sort of cars that tick the fun box for me).

SO...with all that in mind. Aside from the 15-20k purchase price difference, the reasons I'm considering a GTST over a 32/33 GTR is:

  • As above, I'm not after the sort of power that would really "need" 4WD, considering this is only going to do limited miles, and in mostly good weather.
  • I know these cars can be expensive to maintain (though again I'm looking to mitigate that to a degree by not chasing big power) and that's fine, but I guess I'm looking at the 4WD system on the GTR as a whole collection of components that could go wrong at the age they're at, may be expensive/impossible to get hold of replacements for, and therefore are a mini-collection of potential headaches that just aren't there on a GTST.
  • As much as it would be nice to buy a GTR and then find the price rockets like the R34 has done, I'm a bit worried about insurance. I'll be moving house in a few years and will get a place with a garage, but at the moment, the car will be on my driveway (in a pretty safe area, but still). I also suspect I'd finding myself driving it less the more it's worth.

FINALLY..the questions :)

1) Am I worrying too much about 4WD reliability, parts availability and price?
2) Linked to that, if there were to be a problem with the 4WD, and parts were hard to get hold of, can the car be used as RWD without damaging anything? I read R32 = yes, R33 = no, but don't know if that's correct?
3) For a car with 300-350BHP, is the driving experience of the GTR vs GTST at 7/10ths in the dry massively different?
4) Are the intake/surge/dump type noises from the 25 much different to the 26 assuming similar power outputs. While I know there can be risks linked to it, the child in me still loves the old surge/flutter noise.
5) There's also a part of me that's thinking, well if I'm going to stretch to 35k'ish for a GTR, why not get an R35...But I think it's a whole different set of box ticking there, right?

Comments/questions/criticism appreciated folks. Anything obvious I'm missing? Thanks for listening to my ramblings...Believe me when I say I've spent quite a bit of time thinking things over to get to this point.

Thanks again :)
 

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The R35 is a world of difference away from the previous generations, can't even be sensibly compared IMHO.

I would push yourself to the most standard and low miles R33 GTR you can get for your money, at low power levels (and yes 350bhp ish is low power for an R33 GTR) they are actually very reliable. Realistically you want around 450-500bhp and it is still very reliable.

350 in a GTSt is a lot of fun though :)
 

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What is your actual budget chap?
 

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The R35 is a world of difference away from the previous generations, can't even be sensibly compared IMHO.

I would push yourself to the most standard and low miles R33 GTR you can get for your money, at low power levels (and yes 350bhp ish is low power for an R33 GTR) they are actually very reliable. Realistically you want around 450-500bhp and it is still very reliable.

350 in a GTSt is a lot of fun though :)
Hi, thanks. And yeh, I know the R35 is nothing like the others. I was really just talking more from a price-point than anything else.

Did you have any thoughts on all the 4WD vs RWD stuff I mentioned? As I say, as much as it'd be nice to have a GTR over the GTSt because reasons, I'm not the sort of person to want to wrap it in cotton wool and never use it (plus it'll be outside on my driveway for a few years till I can get a garage), so just trying to weigh up the pros the GTR brings to the table over the GTSt vs the potential cons in as much as issues that could come with it. Like if I can get 90% of the experience, save 15-20K in the process, and have less possible headaches with drivetrain in future, that's why I'm trying to juggle one vs the other....That kinda mindest.

Thanks again.
 

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What is your actual budget chap?
Hey. Something around £35k (assuming I were to decide to go GTR not GTSt).

I also need to have more than a cursory glance at insurance. I'm not at all worried about my credentials (over 40, clean licence, many years NCB), it's more the car and value of, and how much the two cars vary from each other in terms of premiums.

Thanks :)
 

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I have the R35 now and I had 6 R33 GTSt (last one in a R33 GTR body)

The GTSt and GTR are such different beasts honestly as much as I loved my GTSt the GTR is the one to go for, buy a good a car and you won't have any real issues with reliability. I don't think you will have any real insurance issues with either nowdays
 

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I'd go for an R32 GTR I think. The other option is an R34GTT (RWD) which supposedly are going up madly in value nowadays. You may also be able to get an R33GTR. I think I'd go for a GTR over a RWD GTST.
 

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I have a stage 4 R35 for 2 years and loved it.

An R32/R33 for £35k is most likely going to be a very good example with a lot of work done to it. A £35k R35 GTR wouldn't fill me with as much confidence I'm afraid. Granted over the time I had my R35 I never had any issues, I just feel there's certain elements to an R35 where the repair costs outweighs the fun potential unless you are going for a newer example.

Recently got an R32 GTR that has been forged and its a totally different animal.

As with most modern cars the R35 GTR can got you in the triple digits mph wise pretty damn quick.... but its almost so effortless there not much fun and theatre about it. R32 in the other hand is nuts, plenty of noise etc etc.

Personally I feel if you went for a GTSt you would always looks at a GTR and wondered if you should of gone for that instead.
 

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I have the R35 now and I had 6 R33 GTSt (last one in a R33 GTR body)

The GTSt and GTR are such different beasts honestly as much as I loved my GTSt the GTR is the one to go for, buy a good a car and you won't have any real issues with reliability. I don't think you will have any real insurance issues with either nowdays
Haha, you've had 6 GTSt's, and you're still suggesting I should be looking at a GTR. Brilliant :) I saw there's an insurance section on this forum, so I assume there's recommendations of good places to try in there. I think I need to make a few calls before I push my mindset one way or another much more. As I said in a previous post, I'm not concerned about my credentials, just the differences between the cars.

Are the 4WD systems on these really good enough that no one worries about the reliability of them? I'm just picturing something like "oh yeh, pumps dead, that'll be 5k", or not available at all....A friend of a friend years ago had something like an old Lotus, and needed head bolts I think for an engine rebuild, and if I recall correctly, wasn't even able to buy them for something like 9 months, because they weren't available.

Again, thanks :)
 

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I'd go for an R32 GTR I think. The other option is an R34GTT (RWD) which supposedly are going up madly in value nowadays. You may also be able to get an R33GTR. I think I'd go for a GTR over a RWD GTST.
Hey. Appreciate the responses here from everyone so far. I just like to do my homework, so apologies for all the questions etc.

Yeh I don't think I'm keen on an R34 GTT at the price they're at now. I'm curious why you'd suggest an R32 GTR over an R33 GTR, given that I have a bit of a preference on the looks of the R33, and least from the ones I've been looking at, they seem to be around the same price at the mo?

Thanks :)
 

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I have a stage 4 R35 for 2 years and loved it.

An R32/R33 for £35k is most likely going to be a very good example with a lot of work done to it. A £35k R35 GTR wouldn't fill me with as much confidence I'm afraid. Granted over the time I had my R35 I never had any issues, I just feel there's certain elements to an R35 where the repair costs outweighs the fun potential unless you are going for a newer example.

Recently got an R32 GTR that has been forged and its a totally different animal.

As with most modern cars the R35 GTR can got you in the triple digits mph wise pretty damn quick.... but its almost so effortless there not much fun and theatre about it. R32 in the other hand is nuts, plenty of noise etc etc.

Personally I feel if you went for a GTSt you would always looks at a GTR and wondered if you should of gone for that instead.

Hiya,

Yeh the whole R35 thing was really just a cost-comparison, but I agree with your point about GOOD R32/33 vs maybe OK R35 at that price point. I don't really have any intentions of getting an R35, least not at this stage. As you allude to, they're almost too good at hiding the speed sometimes. I've had an Audi B5 S4 that was kinda similar even though it was quite a bit older, in that the engine had such a relaxed note to it, it was only when you got properly moving you actually felt like it. That's not what I'm looking for. If I want something quick and fairly capable I'll probably get something like an early 2010's M135i to daily in.

You're probably right about the wondering. I mean, the heart definitely wants a GTR, but the sensible side of my head is pretty good at over-riding heart-based decisions if they still tick a good few boxes (half the price, less failure points, and "most" of the fun?). Though I'd probably want a GTSt with at least some bits that make it look more like a GTR externally. I've also only ever sat in a couple of stationary Skylines, which probably isn't helping the decision process at all.

Sorry for the ramblings. I will come to a decision, and after that will be sure to go back round thanking everyone for their input :)
 

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Oh for anyone that's interested, I guess it's also worth mentioning that I've had a RWD daily for a few years in the form of a BMW 330d, so I am familiar/happy with the concept of RWD. Not been a bad one that, to have a bit of fun with on the commute down the country lanes.
 

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All the GTR's are mostly RWD it is only when things get properly sideways the 4wd kicks in so it is more like a RWD driving experience than a 4WD such as a scooby, evo or Audi, and it is a mechanical system with diffs, the attessa pumps aren't difficult to get hold of and tbh if you look through the forum you are more likely to break a diff with too much power that gets talked about rather than attessa pumps failing.
 

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I have recently bought a cheap r32 GTR which drives fairly well and isn't too rusty, but looks fairly rough, and is pretty much standard so about what you were wanting at 350hp. It's dead reliable, it's essentially just like any other fairly common Japanese car - you really don't need to worry about reliability any more than any other old car if you are happy driving one that's standard or thereabouts. I also have a sorted fast r34 GTR and in total honesty I have at least as much fun wringing the neck of the standard 32 than doing prison-speeds on the same roads in the 34.
A Gtst is good, but as said in this thread a different animal. You are going to be driving a modified one to get your 350hp for a start, which means more potential issues (although only potential, not necessarily certain). They will also let you be mostly sideways round roundabouts if you want, but again as said in the post above a GTR is basically a rear wheel drive car anyway... Except for in that exact roundabout situation, so if skidz for the kidz aren't important then any 32/33/34GTR is just plain better.
If you wanted a 35 you'd know. They aren't for me but plenty of people have a Skyline and an R35... Comparisons are a joke though, drive them back-to-back and you'll get it. You are doing insane speeds before the enjoyment and involvement, whereas although a standard(ish) 32/33 GTR isn't really slow, it gets you involved at much lower speeds than a 35. And the bills. And they look funny. And you'll come across one one day being revved in a car park on a special turbo-melting map and wonder what the hell you've bought into ;)

Another vote for a standardish 32 or 33 GTR from me. Just jump in and go, abuse it as much as you can, don't skimp on the servicing (decent oils, decent workshop, decent tyres, do the belts if it's done silly mileage) and you really shoudn't have any nasty surprises! Don't believe too much of the hype either, 35k you should be in a top class standard 32 gtr or 33 gtr with a middling mileage. The crazy prices you see are for people that don't drive their cars... You might have to wait or ask around the specialists (try the workshops as well as the usual sharks) but my 32 cost me a fair bit less than 15k last year, new discs pads and clutch and a service 3k in all and two days at the shop, and it's absolutely sweet to drive. They do exist. I THINK the 32 is a nicer-driving car, better than a 33 and 34, but that's just me. All are good.

Insurance is fine. Classicline limited mileage policy 530 quid without really trying.
 

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I have recently bought a cheap r32 GTR which drives fairly well and isn't too rusty, but looks fairly rough, and is pretty much standard so about what you were wanting at 350hp. It's dead reliable, it's essentially just like any other fairly common Japanese car - you really don't need to worry about reliability any more than any other old car if you are happy driving one that's standard or thereabouts. I also have a sorted fast r34 GTR and in total honesty I have at least as much fun wringing the neck of the standard 32 than doing prison-speeds on the same roads in the 34.
A Gtst is good, but as said in this thread a different animal. You are going to be driving a modified one to get your 350hp for a start, which means more potential issues (although only potential, not necessarily certain). They will also let you be mostly sideways round roundabouts if you want, but again as said in the post above a GTR is basically a rear wheel drive car anyway... Except for in that exact roundabout situation, so if skidz for the kidz aren't important then any 32/33/34GTR is just plain better.
If you wanted a 35 you'd know. They aren't for me but plenty of people have a Skyline and an R35... Comparisons are a joke though, drive them back-to-back and you'll get it. You are doing insane speeds before the enjoyment and involvement, whereas although a standard(ish) 32/33 GTR isn't really slow, it gets you involved at much lower speeds than a 35. And the bills. And they look funny. And you'll come across one one day being revved in a car park on a special turbo-melting map and wonder what the hell you've bought into ;)

Another vote for a standardish 32 or 33 GTR from me. Just jump in and go, abuse it as much as you can, don't skimp on the servicing (decent oils, decent workshop, decent tyres, do the belts if it's done silly mileage) and you really shoudn't have any nasty surprises! Don't believe too much of the hype either, 35k you should be in a top class standard 32 gtr or 33 gtr with a middling mileage. The crazy prices you see are for people that don't drive their cars... You might have to wait or ask around the specialists (try the workshops as well as the usual sharks) but my 32 cost me a fair bit less than 15k last year, new discs pads and clutch and a service 3k in all and two days at the shop, and it's absolutely sweet to drive. They do exist. I THINK the 32 is a nicer-driving car, better than a 33 and 34, but that's just me. All are good.

Insurance is fine. Classicline limited mileage policy 530 quid without really trying.
Hiya. Again thanks for taking the time to respond. To cover off a few of the things you mention:

  • Yep aware the lower start point power-wise on the GTSt would mean more mods, so potentially not as trouble-free, though I guess the purchase cost difference would cover a fair bit of trouble :)
  • No interest in doing massive powersliding or burnouts etc.
  • I know I don't want an R35, for the reason you, others, and myself mentioned....I've never been in one, I'm sure they're amazing, but they're too capable for what I'm after.
  • I wouldn't skimp on the basics. I'm used to owning/running old cars so nothing particularly new there, and I wouldn't be considering something like this if I couldn't keep up with running it, even though my stated purchase budget is a big stretch (mentally and actually), so if I can get something I'm after for less, I will.

I'm interested in your personal reasoning on why you prefer the way the 32 drives? I know it's of course a preference thing, but nice to hear people thoughts/opinions regardless.

Thanks again.
 

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Back to the 4wd question the only component that is proving unreliable with age is the Nitogen filled pressure accumulator. About £200 to source the part and not beyond DIY replacement. When it fails the pump relay switches on and off a lot trying to maintain pressure. 4wd still operates but can be slightly slower to react.
 

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just to add a little fuel to the fire the GTSt is actually slightly easier to mod because it has less complicated components (single TB vs multiple TB etc) and they are generally cheaper... both the GTSt and the GTR can be taken to 500+ without too much trouble or hassle or impact on reliability.
 

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@projer

I have a 2019 RS3 as my daily. 400hp very capable car....... if I give that boot of a roundabout up to the speed limit its just a bit meh. It goes don't get me wrong, but it just doesn't do it in a way that excites. I tool the R32 out the other day, its running 450ish hp and its just feels like it has a lot more. LOVE IT!!!
 

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Back to the 4wd question the only component that is proving unreliable with age is the Nitogen filled pressure accumulator. About £200 to source the part and not beyond DIY replacement. When it fails the pump relay switches on and off a lot trying to maintain pressure. 4wd still operates but can be slightly slower to react.
That's good to know, thanks. I had a 4x4 Calibra Turbo in the past that had an accumulator bulb, and they started to get a bit of a rep for being a failure point. I never had any issues with it, but knew a number of people that did. Periodic fixes costing 3 figures I'm not too concerned about...It's the ones that cost 4 figures I worry a bit more about :)
 

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just to add a little fuel to the fire the GTSt is actually slightly easier to mod because it has less complicated components (single TB vs multiple TB etc) and they are generally cheaper... both the GTSt and the GTR can be taken to 500+ without too much trouble or hassle or impact on reliability.
Good to know. I'm not generally the sort of person to mod stuff much myself. Whether I buy a standard'ish or already modded car, I tend to just maintain or perhaps slightly tweak whatever configuration is already in place. I suspect that probably puts me in a bit of a minority with a car like this :)
 
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