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Hi all,

Just wanted to ask peoples opinions on the Panden rocket bunny kits that the likes of EPR are making, I'm thinking of getting one for my Project B and as I can neither afford nor justify spending 4-5K on an original kit for a build of the style I'm aiming for, I just wanted to know what people thought of them, I'm not talking about the ethics of copying the kit, more the style and assumed quality and fit, taking into account the price difference (around £1,200 for the copy) any thoughts welcome.



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I'd never buy anything from EPR again (sorry if they read this). Complete misshapen bumpers etc, went the genuine route in the end and bought Nismo :thumbsup:
They may have improved since, I mean we're talking about 7 years ago now, and they're still around so they must be doing something right. Hopefully someone can show some photos of their success with their products.
 

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Buy cheap, buy twice... :(
Or spend four times as much and let the piss be taken, context is needed, the shell it would be going on cost me £300, the genuine kit was never in the running.
 

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Sounds like you answered your own original question then Kev.

Where quality isn't the primary issue for you here, but cost and as you're not prepared to pay Rocket bunny for their quality and hard work designing & developing what you want, the only choice you leave yourself is...
 

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Sounds like you answered your own original question then Kev.
Not really, I asked for peoples thoughts on the style of the rocket bunny kit, genuine or not, the style is the same, and whether people thought the quality and fit appeared to be ok for the price.

Me being to poor to afford £4-5k for a fibreglass body kit was never a question I needed answering, but thanks for telling me anyway.
 

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You're welcome. :chuckle:

I guess we'll see what the fit of cheap Rocket Bunny copies made in China molded from (When not fitted) wobbly FRP components will be like once fitted to your project car
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The biggest issue with the copy kits that they are molded from originals if you are lucky, copies most often. Which means they are out by at least once removed from the original, more often twice or more.

This means the fit is generally all over the place and the cost of making it fit goes a long way to the cost of buying an original that will just fit anyway.


If you like the style support the manufacturer and buy the original, that way at least they ma6 be more likely to stay in business and produce kits that you like the look of.
 

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OK, OK, A little off topic but I've had a bit to drink now so lets get serious for a minute, assuming i didn't already have a shell and purchased a bare one, at today's prices around £2,500 with a v5 and I bought a genuine rocket bunny kit, lets say £5,500 including postage and taxes, then say another £3,000 for fitting and painting, for argument sake a profit of £1,000 for all the hard work, would you be prepared to pay £12,000 for a bare shell with a rocket bunny kit fitted and painted ?
 

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You know what, not all copy kits are complete shit!!! As the OP states, he isn't interested in paying the price of the original kit (I really can't say I blame him TBH)....

Back in the day I bought a replica fibreglass X-pack for my MKII Escort. Guess what....??

The fitment was very good. I was happy and it didn't cost the earth. (besides the fact that you couldn't buy a genuine X kit then anyway!!!)


I've been on here long enough to know the 'usual suspects' who think the only way forward are branded parts (Nismo, HKS, Rays etc). This is SO not the case and demonstrated by those of us who shun these branded parts in search of something else. Personally, my motivation is to stick two fingers up to the brands who charge prices that are NOT generally representative of the effort that went into the production. I mean, how come a branded intercooler or pipe kit costs what it does..?? There's NO WAY it costs over £1k to make an intercooler...that is just disgusting!!!!

I think you should buy the copy kit Kev and just go for it!! Yes, there will be some fettling as with all (even branded) composite parts but your wallet and your sense of value-for-money will be rewarded...


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TT,

Thank you, thank you, thank you,

I'm now well on the way to being pissed, but glad there's someone else out there that lives in the real world, I did exactly the same as you back in my teens, bought an X pack kit for my mk11 escort, loved it, white with gold detail, 10 x 13 white rims, 225 tyres, 2 ltr pinto with twin webers, assume sound, things were so much simpler back then, no internet so people you've never met couldn't talk down to you for doing something original rather than following the flock like all the other sheep.

Simonh,

Even with the £1,500 extra for making the copy kit fit, that's still a saving of around £2,800, even more considering I would fit it myself "IF" I bought one at all that is.
 

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Kev, you could always save the money you spend getting pissed and buy the genuine kit - win win:chuckle:

Only kidding! You’re right, before the internet, it was just your mates shooting you down in the pub if they thought you were doing something stupid, now it’s every man and his dog.
 

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Back in the day before China came to produce everything under the sun copies were probably made by skilled people here in the UK. Now it is how much money can be fleeced from paying customers with no care about quality or service.

You know what, not all copy kits are complete shit!!! As the OP states, he isn't interested in paying the price of the original kit (I really can't say I blame him TBH)....

Back in the day I bought a replica fibreglass X-pack for my MKII Escort. Guess what....??

The fitment was very good. I was happy and it didn't cost the earth. (besides the fact that you couldn't buy a genuine X kit then anyway!!!)


I've been on here long enough to know the 'usual suspects' who think the only way forward are branded parts (Nismo, HKS, Rays etc). This is SO not the case and demonstrated by those of us who shun these branded parts in search of something else. Personally, my motivation is to stick two fingers up to the brands who charge prices that are NOT generally representative of the effort that went into the production. I mean, how come a branded intercooler or pipe kit costs what it does..?? There's NO WAY it costs over £1k to make an intercooler...that is just disgusting!!!!

I think you should buy the copy kit Kev and just go for it!! Yes, there will be some fettling as with all (even branded) composite parts but your wallet and your sense of value-for-money will be rewarded...


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Back in the day before China came to produce everything under the sun copies were probably made by skilled people here in the UK. Now it is how much money can be fleeced from paying customers with no care about quality or service.
Not all replica parts these days come from China FFS Younes!!!!

At the end of the day we pay what we feel is appropriate for parts etc. I'm lucky to be in a position to buy all my parts new and branded but I CHOOSE not to because (as an ex-mechanic) I KNOW what parts need to be decent and what parts can be made by Zhang Wei and his mates in a shed in Guangzhou on a Friday afternoon. There are some things that need to be decent such as a head gasket for example but to suggest you need to pay nearly £1600 for a set of HKS intercooler pipes and hoses is just ludicrous and is beyond justification. No sane individual would defend something like that although there are clearly a few on here who feel that that is a fair price for pipes and hoses :chairshot:chairshot:chairshot



Kev - I had 2 RS2000's (not at the same time :chuckle:). My 'best' one was a self-built 2.1 Pinto on twin 48's with forged bottom and Burton head. Funnily enough parts were all secondhand from different places:thumbsup:. Made 205hp on local dyno where operator would not believe me when I said it was self-built. He all but called me a liar and thought it was a crate motor from Burton, Scholar etc :chuckle: :chuckle:

My current 2.0 YB project is being built from bits (specifically) bought from Ebay on the, self-imposed, smallest of budgets in order to prove that it doesn't take big money or branded parts to build an engine. Hell, I bought a turbo for £40 (new) so we'll just have to wait and see.......


Really folks, we've done this branded vs unbranded to death over the years. Can we just accept that we all have different budgets and priorities when buying bits for our cars. It feels sometimes that there's a lot of snobbery and condescension when folks stray from 'the path'....


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Branded vs unbranded is one thing, original vs copy is quite another.

I have no problem with saving money I have done it enough plenty of times but I do have an issue with people that blatantly take someone***8217;s hard work and investment and just rip it off to sell at a knockdown price.

That said Kev if you are prepared that it will take extra work potentially and it will cost extra money then that is up to you. So long as the end result is up to your usual standard then I am sure it will be amazing :)
 

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Branded vs unbranded is one thing, original vs copy is quite another.

I have no problem with saving money I have done it enough plenty of times but I do have an issue with people that blatantly take someone***8217;s hard work and investment and just rip it off to sell at a knockdown price.

That said Kev if you are prepared that it will take extra work potentially and it will cost extra money then that is up to you. So long as the end result is up to your usual standard then I am sure it will be amazing :)
To be clear....

I completely agree with you regarding blatant copying and trying to pass off as the real thing (fakes).
In this case, Pandem are their own company and are producing stuff under their own brand. They may look similar to Rocket Bunny style kits but then again, they're not being passed off as Rocket Bunny so all is good in my view.

It's a particular style and there are many takes on it so I don't see what the fuss is about here.....


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It's a particular style and there are many takes on it so I don't see what the fuss is about here.....


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Ah yes, that reminds me, didn’t Nissan take some styling hints from a well known Bavarian motor company when designing the R32?* Sometimes copying is okay:confused:

* for those that don’t know, look at the arches on the E30 M3
 

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Ah yes, that reminds me, didn’t Nissan take some styling hints from a well known Bavarian motor company when designing the R32?* Sometimes copying is okay:confused:

* for those that don’t know, look at the arches on the E30 M3
I see what you're saying....

The arches on the Integrale look remarkably like the Ford X-pack....


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