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Never, love em
 

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I hate them and they will never go out of fashion because the car is getting in to kid money and they will keep it going followed by a market flooded with ****ed cars
 

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I you like them use them, if you don't go into the old people's home ***55357;***56397;
 

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I'm not a fan of le' trombone noise.

As for pops n bangs. I think on a run, flames and bangs is good, great even - particularly if natural - In a car park - not so much.

I don't have it at the moment. I'll be getting retuned soon and guess I will get it then. Will be interesting to play with but I don't think I will be doing it everywhere (famous last words)
 

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Just another thought about pops and bangs, I had a car in with suspected turbo problem on the oil seals and it was a proper pops and bangs car, when I went to get the downpipes off only one downpipe had a cat in it and that was flopping about !!!!
 
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