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Hi,

My current car is a BMW e92 m3, 2012, 1 of 25 ka401 japan red. I am thinking of making the move over to a GTR.

I've done some research but have a few questions if someone could help.

I am also potentially thinking of going traveling with my girlfriend next year around half way through the year depending on what state things are in with covid at the time. Because of this if I have a GTR at that time would it be easy to sell privately or would I struggle. Just wondering how difficult it is to sell one as its fairly niche.

I am looking at cars from 2011 onwards with a maximum budget of 37,000 after selling mine. I have people messaging me to buy my car as its rare with low miles. So I don't think i will have an issue selling it at all. So my main question is would it be a mistake moving to a GTR if it is hard to sell when I would like to go travelling.

Also what are the main issues to be aware of when viewing them.

Is it best to get something unmodified or modified. As I have seen alot that have been tuned by Litchfield.

Thanks for any input.
Here is an image of my current car.
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There’s plenty of advice around the forum and the search engine will do the work for you.

The cars are cheap but running them can get expensive, so I always suggest getting an independent inspection Prior to purchase.
 

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There’s plenty of advice around the forum and the search engine will do the work for you.

The cars are cheap but running them can get expensive, so I always suggest getting an independent inspection Prior to purchase.
Thanks for the reply. Would you know if it would be difficult to sell a GTR privately when the time came?
 

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I recognise that from a FB group or Cutters I think. You'd have no problem selling, it's a lovely E92.

I've come from quite a few M cars, F10 M5 being the last. I love the GTR and it does not disappoint. I went through similar questions to you and have ended up with a lovely 2010 31k miles, stage 1 litchfield tuned GTR. Try to get as late and low miles car for your budget.

Originally I didn't want anything tuned but when I saw the one I ended up buying, I instantly wanted it. I'm glad it was tuned by Litchfield, one of the best in the GTR field. Stage 1 is more than enough for me tbh.

When doing research the following things was what I found out:

- service history very important and where it's been. Mine has been looked after 90% of its life with Litchfield.

- brakes and tyres can be expensive so check when these were changed.

- keep an eye on bell housing rattle. There's a fix for it but can cost around £1k I think

- low speed grind is quite normal, feels very race car like. I test drove a few and they all do this.

- chance that the previous owners are in here, one of mine were!

With regards to selling, I don't know. If it's priced keen, shouldn't be a problem to sell. GTRs seemingly hold value very well from what I can see.
 

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There bell housing fix is £1450 plus fitting, there’s no way around it. Nissan are the one and only company to supply a damper plate with the later housings.
 

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I recognise that from a FB group or Cutters I think. You'd have no problem selling, it's a lovely E92.

I've come from quite a few M cars, F10 M5 being the last. I love the GTR and it does not disappoint. I went through similar questions to you and have ended up with a lovely 2010 31k miles, stage 1 litchfield tuned GTR. Try to get as late and low miles car for your budget.

Originally I didn't want anything tuned but when I saw the one I ended up buying, I instantly wanted it. I'm glad it was tuned by Litchfield, one of the best in the GTR field. Stage 1 is more than enough for me tbh.

When doing research the following things was what I found out:

- service history very important and where it's been. Mine has been looked after 90% of its life with Litchfield.

- brakes and tyres can be expensive so check when these were changed.

- keep an eye on bell housing rattle. There's a fix for it but can cost around £1k I think

- low speed grind is quite normal, feels very race car like. I test drove a few and they all do this.

- chance that the previous owners are in here, one of mine were!

With regards to selling, I don't know. If it's priced keen, shouldn't be a problem to sell. GTRs seemingly hold value very well from what I can see.
Thanks for the info, all good to know.

I do very few miles to be honest, they are definitely weekend cars for me. I would try and find one with the bell housing done then. But also with as low mileage as possible. Nice to hear from someone that's done the same coming from M cars to the GTR.
 

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There bell housing fix is £1450 plus fitting, there’s no way around it. Nissan are the one and only company to supply a damper plate with the later housings.
Seems like its something to watch out for. Is there a usual kind of milage this needs to be done or does it just vary from car to car?
 

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Thanks for the info, all good to know.

I do very few miles to be honest, they are definitely weekend cars for me. I would try and find one with the bell housing done then. But also with as low mileage as possible. Nice to hear from someone that's done the same coming from M cars to the GTR.
Same here. Definitely a weekend car for me! The 4wd and handling is worlds apart from the M cars (I've also had an E92). If you're London based you're welcome to have a poke around mine sometime.
 

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Same here. Definitely a weekend car for me! The 4wd and handling is worlds apart from the M cars (I've also had an E92). If you're London based you're welcome to have a poke around mine sometime.
Thanks for the offer but I'm up in sheffield. I had a quick look at one in a showroom up here as it was local. Just made me want one more haha.
 

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The good GTR's will always sell but there are still some cars for sale at dealers from when I bought mine - and that was November 2018. Condition is everything. They do hold their value well IF you can find a good one. Low owners, low mileage always more attractive etc - no surprises there.

Some advice from my experience:

I looked at loads with so-called FSH and they didn't have it, many had missed services and/or extended durations between services. Any specialist - there are a few - will carry out a condition report at each service. Check these to see what might be needed e.g. brake/tyre/suspension condition etc etc. If its not in with the "FSH" ask yourself why. Can check MOT's as well online to see if the previous owner has scrimped on stuff e.g. tyres excessively worn.

Bellhousing can affect some cars, others not - doesn't seem to relate to a specific age/mileage so much, seems to be pot luck - do a search on here, loads of threads about it. Like Skint says, new bellhousing from Nissan seems the best fix to eliminate the rattle completely. Its the movement of the main propshaft that causes the initial rattle (worn bearing) and if the propshaft moves more than the stated (tiny) amount it needs the fix. Thing is, you can have this problem with NO rattling. A reconditioned bellhousing - the £1k fixes etc - sort the bearing but you can end up with a replacement flywheel/damper plate and the latter can rattle. This is a different rattle noise. Thing is, you get some rattle anyway as explained in the car's handbook. Chances are any car you look at will have some variation of the rattle.

Lots of info there, main thing to note is just because someone says it's had the bellhousing "fix" you might want to get it up on a ramp and check it out for yourself. Whilst on a ramp get the undertrays off and check the underside for corrosion. When looking at some R35's I saw undertrays held on by just a few bolts, or rusty bolts, or zip ties, even mastic sealant. All signs of crap ownership/servicing and you won't see this unless you get underneath the car. Its a faff but worth doing.

When you do test drive one take it for a decent run. At slow speed and around town they can feel clunky, jerky, noisy and a bit hard work with the firm ride. You might think what all the fuss is about with these cars. But get them out on a decent road and they come alive and once on the move they seem to hunker down and are very agile and pointy cars that simply build speed so effortlessly. They are incredible cars with so much grip at pace that it might surprise you.

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Hi and welcome
Just made the move from 92 to gtr myself

the gtr Is a beast of a car
The power delivery can’t be described
The m is a fast car mate
These are fast fast.
I loved my 92
Second longest car ever owned and I had real reservations. I still feel i jumped early but had a great deal in front of me.

Out of interest- what are you hoping to get out of the 92? I have a cousin that has wanted one a while now in red
 

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Hi and welcome
Just made the move from 92 to gtr myself

the gtr Is a beast of a car
The power delivery can’t be described
The m is a fast car mate
These are fast fast.
I loved my 92
Second longest car ever owned and I had real reservations. I still feel i jumped early but had a great deal in front of me.

Out of interest- what are you hoping to get out of the 92? I have a cousin that has wanted one a while now in red
Good to hear, I do love my m3 but this is the second one I've had. The reason for buying this one was because it was so rare being 1 of 25 and in top condition. I've had e92's for 4+ years now so a change seems to be due.

The last jap red for sale that I saw was on for 27000 so I'd be looking for that really. Mine is definitely one of the lowest millage jap reds there is if not the lowest. The lowest I know of anyway, there may be another lower milage one out there somewhere.
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Looks well mate
Will be too rich for his blood.

For reference - I got 21 for my 2013 le500 alpine on 41k with fsh in alpine white and that was also immaculate
 

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Hi Nixon welcome. Your M3 looks in great condition.

I made the jump to an R35 GTR from an M4 in Feb and find the GTR a completely different animal.

  • It's no way near as refined
  • very mechanical and clunky at low speeds
  • much louder on cold start in comparison
  • the softest suspension setting is comparable as the hardest on the M4
  • diffs make a clicking sound when cold (pretty sure they all do this)
  • much more of a raw experience
  • it feels every one of its 1750 kgs at low speeds... Until you plant your right foot you won't believe it could be as fast as it is
Literally love everything about everything I have listed above....You constantly feel engaged and the transmission clunks, turbos spooling, exhaust sounds and general raw drive make you constantly aware the car is mechanically shifting around you.

Things to look for when buying. Obviously mileage, condition is always important but in my opinion I'd say history and finding one which has been looked after throughout its life by a decent specialist who know these cars, would be key for me (over one that may have lower mileage). Obviously that's my personal opinion and I only say this because when I was looking for one I found lower mileage examples/newer cars which had clearly had harder lives and serviced by places who clearly didn't know the GTR e.g. Very poor choice of engine oil used repeatedly in one lower mileage example I looked at.... 🤦‍♂️

In the end I opted for a 50k miles 2010 which had been looked after mainly by AC Speedtech.

Things to look out for (in my experience):

  • tyres need replacing constantly she's a big girl and her shoes wear out quickly (search this forum for info on sizes, brands etc)
  • brakes, as above (loads of info on this forum on the varying pad and disc combo)
  • suspension arm bushes and 4 wheel alignment (don't buy new arms from nissan...)
  • wheel valve stems.... Really cannot stress how important it is to check the condition of these and replace if any sign of wear.....
  • ABS pump - common problem causes warning signs on dash (pump can be refurbed)
  • under tray and bolts as sknam mentioned
  • rear drop links
  • rust bubbles on rear near arches (can be caused by over size tyres kicking up stones).
That's all I can think of. Either way if you find a good one I'm sure you'll have no problems selling it.

I bought mine right at the start of the pandemic and whilst I was waiting to collect it I did have some doubt about whether it was the right thing to do. Soon as I drove it home with a stupid grin on my face I knew I had. It's kept me sane and happy in these crazy times.

Best of luck, hope you get one and please post details and pics on here if you do! 👍
 

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Hi Nixon welcome. Your M3 looks in great condition.

I made the jump to an R35 GTR from an M4 in Feb and find the GTR a completely different animal.

  • It's no way near as refined
  • very mechanical and clunky at low speeds
  • much louder on cold start in comparison
  • the softest suspension setting is comparable as the hardest on the M4
  • diffs make a clicking sound when cold (pretty sure they all do this)
  • much more of a raw experience
  • it feels every one of its 1750 kgs at low speeds... Until you plant your right foot you won't believe it could be as fast as it is
Literally love everything about everything I have listed above....You constantly feel engaged and the transmission clunks, turbos spooling, exhaust sounds and general raw drive make you constantly aware the car is mechanically shifting around you.

Things to look for when buying. Obviously mileage, condition is always important but in my opinion I'd say history and finding one which has been looked after throughout its life by a decent specialist who know these cars, would be key for me (over one that may have lower mileage). Obviously that's my personal opinion and I only say this because when I was looking for one I found lower mileage examples/newer cars which had clearly had harder lives and serviced by places who clearly didn't know the GTR e.g. Very poor choice of engine oil used repeatedly in one lower mileage example I looked at.... 🤦‍♂️

In the end I opted for a 50k miles 2010 which had been looked after mainly by AC Speedtech.

Things to look out for (in my experience):

  • tyres need replacing constantly she's a big girl and her shoes wear out quickly (search this forum for info on sizes, brands etc)
  • brakes, as above (loads of info on this forum on the varying pad and disc combo)
  • suspension arm bushes and 4 wheel alignment (don't buy new arms from nissan...)
  • wheel valve stems.... Really cannot stress how important it is to check the condition of these and replace if any sign of wear.....
  • ABS pump - common problem causes warning signs on dash (pump can be refurbed)
  • under tray and bolts as sknam mentioned
  • rear drop links
  • rust bubbles on rear near arches (can be caused by over size tyres kicking up stones).
That's all I can think of. Either way if you find a good one I'm sure you'll have no problems selling it.

I bought mine right at the start of the pandemic and whilst I was waiting to collect it I did have some doubt about whether it was the right thing to do. Soon as I drove it home with a stupid grin on my face I knew I had. It's kept me sane and happy in these crazy times.

Best of luck, hope you get one and please post details and pics on here if you do! 👍
Some really good points to look out for there, thanks. Seems like quite a few people have gone from M cars to the GTR. It makes sense really, the next step up.

Its nice to have the refinement of bmw but seen as though its not my every day car and more of a weekend car I'm happy to live with that. I have only done 2500 miles in the m3 in the last year. I plan to use the next car more its just the way this last year has been, had too many things on.

I shall definitely be taking a check list of things to look out for when viewing a GTR. Some great advice there, cheers!
 

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A well maintained one with a stage 3+ Litchfield tune and relatively low mileage would be quite well recieved on resale. You will love it too. I think I would like a stage 4.25 as its the sweet spot for cost vs performance and your GTR will be a monster 👹 I hope you find your perfect car.
 

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I'm in Rotherham but spend a lot of time in Sheffield as that's where my friend and family are. My best mate has a BMW M140i (and a Sapphire Cosworth amongst others) he bought the bimmer for the comfort element, they are a nice place to be and it's quick.

35 is not as nice a place to be as a bimmer.
 

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I'm in Rotherham but spend a lot of time in Sheffield as that's where my friend and family are. My best mate has a BMW M140i (and a Sapphire Cosworth amongst others) he bought the bimmer for the comfort element, they are a nice place to be and it's quick.

35 is not as nice a place to be as a bimmer.
I'm sure the driving experience of a r35 makes up for it though? I've always had BMW's thats why I've been so hesitant to change.
 

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Mine is black Skint, as is my R32, I am often around Bramley and Ecclesfield and everywhere in between.

Glad to know that there are other owners on here nearby, one of of missus mates in Stocksbridge has one in black, bloke round corner from me has a Katsura, bloke from Tool Truck has a black Nismo and a guy up Ecclesfield has a Katsura as well. My missus says there's a white Nismo in Mexborough who follows her on InstantGrandma

@Nixon90, yes it is mate, even for a "newer" car and it's nice seats, it's an expensive Nissan that goes like stink, the going like stink is the bit that never gets old.
 
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