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I think this might cause some conflict but who would you say is best at mapping the rb engines in the uk?
Who is the best rb mapper
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What makes an RB any different to any other engine is the first question.
As to who is the best mapper, you pays your money and takes your chances, I've had quite a few maps from poor driveability through to completely bore washed from the 'specialists' so now I use an independent and have had great results.
Seems you don't actually have to have any qualifications or experience to call yourself a specialist these days, you can just be a wine merchant or post man one day and a specialist the next.
As to who is the best mapper, you pays your money and takes your chances, I've had quite a few maps from poor driveability through to completely bore washed from the 'specialists' so now I use an independent and have had great results.
Seems you don't actually have to have any qualifications or experience to call yourself a specialist these days, you can just be a wine merchant or post man one day and a specialist the next.
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Lol I no exactly what you mean Matt, there's just so many tuners out there now it's hard to pick. I just thought someone what has done rbs no them better so can get better results quicker not that cost comes into it.
You use Owen developments don't you Matt?
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The two best mappers were RIP Tweenie and Gary at Gtart.
Gary had some good building of high compression engines skills and fine tuning but he was a crook and just got greedy when he couldnt nick items off one car to put on another as the cars stopped coming in.
Always amazes me Fuggles car was not followed up, like he just walked away and said oh well. Thats how it comes across on here anyhow.
Today: The UK's best mappers.........well ..theyre probably out there somewhere not available to likes of you and I...........
Gary had some good building of high compression engines skills and fine tuning but he was a crook and just got greedy when he couldnt nick items off one car to put on another as the cars stopped coming in.
Always amazes me Fuggles car was not followed up, like he just walked away and said oh well. Thats how it comes across on here anyhow.
Today: The UK's best mappers.........well ..theyre probably out there somewhere not available to likes of you and I...........
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There are some GOOD mappers out there, not sure it's possible to say who is the best.
Mel, if Gary was one of the best mappers, I shudder to think what some of the others are like. He was a very good engine builder but his mapping was very much trial and error and lacking in depth original thinking, IMHO.
Jason at Infomotive has impressed me with his approach, analysis of data logging and so on, but he isn't in UK.
[email protected] can put the effort in too. There are others.
But in all these things its about how much are you prepared to invest in getting the very most out of your build configuration? You could spend £5000 extracting every horsepower and best torque curve. But find £3000 on parts and a less 'best' map could deliver more bang.
Your question is inadequately qualified for necessary relativity.
DaveG
Mel, if Gary was one of the best mappers, I shudder to think what some of the others are like. He was a very good engine builder but his mapping was very much trial and error and lacking in depth original thinking, IMHO.
Jason at Infomotive has impressed me with his approach, analysis of data logging and so on, but he isn't in UK.
[email protected] can put the effort in too. There are others.
But in all these things its about how much are you prepared to invest in getting the very most out of your build configuration? You could spend £5000 extracting every horsepower and best torque curve. But find £3000 on parts and a less 'best' map could deliver more bang.
Your question is inadequately qualified for necessary relativity.
DaveG
Its good to know this as I'll be in the process of having my car mapped too.
I believe the best mapper for a particular ECU is more of a question.
As Matt says... How different is the RB compared to others?
Some mappers look at figures whilst others think about engine safety and reliability.
So would it be better to break it down in a list.... For e.g
mappers for these Ecus and ratings alongside them from past experience??
Syvecs
Link
Motec
Vipec
HKS
Apexi?
I believe the best mapper for a particular ECU is more of a question.
As Matt says... How different is the RB compared to others?
Some mappers look at figures whilst others think about engine safety and reliability.
So would it be better to break it down in a list.... For e.g
mappers for these Ecus and ratings alongside them from past experience??
Syvecs
Link
Motec
Vipec
HKS
Apexi?
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I do think mapping has a lot to do with the guy on the day and the amount of effort they put in. You say why is the rb different to any other engine then why should what Ecu I'm running matter? There all engine management. I am running a syvecs s6.
From what I've read I found good comments about Martin at mb automotive and Ryan griffin. Would just like some solid reveiws.
From what I've read I found good comments about Martin at mb automotive and Ryan griffin. Would just like some solid reveiws.
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Sorry, but I disagree. My R33 GTR was mapped by Matt Horner from The Racing Line in Halifax, now trading under the name TRL Developments. He is allegedly an expert with Mitsubishi Evo's. Anyway he blew my engine up. Stick to Mappers who have good reputations with RB engines as they work on them daily and know the limits of all the component parts, their is no substitution for experience.
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Yep, Wine merchant ! Pissed myself at that ! !
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I nearly brought a evo done by trl befor I got the skyline. Glad I didn't
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I have a syvec s6gb surely that's good enough?
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Surely the no by there det cans?
TRL is a Joke, Matt Horner has blown his own Evo X Engine in the past. How much of a tuner is he then?
He likes chasing figures but not reliability (another example is his Blue box shape Civic that ran at TOTB several years ago) more noise than Go. Running over 600bhp and was in the 12s.
He could'nt even configure an Apexi SAFC in a civic, ended up refunding the guy as he made the car slower.
I dont like putting anyone down but these are Facts.
Some tuners are scared of Mapping an RB. they stick with what they know best. Yes go to a tuner who knows these Engines better.. Its a start, but make sure you sit down and discuss what you want to achieve.
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Unless people say who they think is right up there how do any of us no who to talk to. I'm a big believer on if the right parts are used why should you need to go easy on a engine? Unless it's stock of corse
Although an engine is an engine, I think it pays to use someone who has mapped a few RB26s.
For example, no 6 piston can run lean due to the shape of the (standard)intake plenum, so tuners with experience increase the fuel to that cylinder a little to compensate.
Mark @ Abbey mapped mine and it runs well.
Other include MGT, Ryan who I believe helped develop the Syvecs, RB motorsport.
RK tuning use a mapper experienced with RBs.
Sure there are quite a few more dotted around, but I'm happy with Abbey.
Cheers,
Mark
For example, no 6 piston can run lean due to the shape of the (standard)intake plenum, so tuners with experience increase the fuel to that cylinder a little to compensate.
Mark @ Abbey mapped mine and it runs well.
Other include MGT, Ryan who I believe helped develop the Syvecs, RB motorsport.
RK tuning use a mapper experienced with RBs.
Sure there are quite a few more dotted around, but I'm happy with Abbey.
Cheers,
Mark
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Ron uses Richard at redline he has mapped lots of them
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