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N1 vs Standard Waterpump & other owner stupidity

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5.3K views 18 replies 10 participants last post by  frostmotorsport  
#1 ·
**WARNING** LONG WINDED RAMBLE FOLLOWS!!

Hi all, Just spent the last 30 mins or so searching the forum, and now I think I know what I'm on about.... so here goes!!

Got sick of oily leaks in my R33 GTR engine, so started pulling it apart to change the rocker cover seals, which led to me pulling the cambelt out again as there is oil residue down thar.... :|

So now I've replaced the camshaft front oil seals - despite having it all apart once before, you think for the sake of small change I would have done it the first time.... http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/86482-r33-gtr-cambelt-change-oily.html?highlight=water+pump :chairshot

Yep! I replaced the front crank seal originally, but not the camshaft seals - despite being a) cheap and b) apparently the same part # as the crank seal!!!! doh....

Now, down the turbo/exhaust side of the motor there is a lot of seeped oil, which I assumed to be the rocker cover seals gone hard with heat (still appears to be the case!) and possibly the powersteer pump line fuming oil too... tho having said that there is a lot of oil evidence around the oil pump on the exhaust side, but I'm not about to pull the motor to change the pump and that's a whole other argument!!!!

SO. On to my actual question!! I thought "lesson learned the first time" - while it's all apart, lets change the water pump. I won't go into the number of kidney's people here require for N1 genuine pumps - and speaking to Rob @ R.I.P.S today (thoroughly nice chap!) I don't require an N1 pump for a mostly standard road car anyway. So Nissan can do me a genuine stock pump for a reasonable price.

In the workshop tonight, I'm looking at the motor about to rip the old pump off, and thought "hmmm. there has been a lot of stuff replaced on this motor and car while it was owned in Japan, so how does one tell if a waterpump is standard or N1?" - cos the gasket sealant around the pump mating surface that has squeezed out looks non-factory, as if someone has already replaced the pump!

Which led me to my 30-odd minute search of the forum and the intertubes in general - and as far as I can tell the standard pumps have all round bolt holes, and the N1 pump has the slot for the small bolt on the top, near the impeller.... which my pump does have!!

SO. in summary, do I have an N1 pump (with the slot) as it would appear, or are there other, standard (non-N1) pumps with this slot? Is there any other way to identify standard vs N1 waterpumps? I cannot see any numbers or other stampings that I could use to ID it.....

Thanks for reading, and I look forward to someone in the know setting me right (or wrong!)

:popcorn:
 
#7 ·
The pumps with a slot are R34 pumps from what I can work out.
The only N1 pump I could by recently in NZ was an R34 one, And it had the slot. I got the slot fill-welded to just a hole to avoid any leaks. Works all good.
 
#9 ·
my slot was filled with silicone, grr. It was a detail that got overlooked (requesting a fill-weld) and they just siliconed it. From experience (N1 pump on an R32 block), it'll last over a year before it starts leaking. <sigh>
 
#10 ·
The slot has nothing to do with it being N1 or not, N1 type has to do with the number and shape of the blades as well as a different disc behind the blades as far as I understand, never taken much notice as I never use N1 water pumps.

Rob
 
#11 ·
What I'm saying is the slot points to a new pump....Could be N1 or just a std R34 pump.

....Only way to tell is to pull it off and count the blades.
 
#12 ·
I bought a replacement pump from segedins a while ago with the slot in it, it was for a r33 rb25vvt.
Im pretty sure the slot is to allow the pump to fit the vvt and non vvt motors, as the vvt motor has the oil feed right behind the bolt so nossan moved the bolt.
I guess the pump with the slot in is a universal one from china, bit of silicon and a washer should do the trick :)
 
#13 ·
nice one. I'm heading out now to pull the pump & check the impeller (yes, it's 11:22pm, but I gotta know!!)

to Glenn - I was taking the pi$$ a little!! I'm fully conversant with the search features. Problem is, you need to pick the right words to search for, otherwise you have to troll through masses of threads that are completely unrelated!! Sometimes I can be bothered, sometimes.... not so much! ;)
 
#14 ·
ok. just learned a valuable lesson. when you pull the water pump off, there is still lots of water behind it, despite you having drained the radiator etc!! is now all over my garage floor....

2nd thing - I have an N1 pump, 6 welded blades, not the cheap pressed blades of a standard pump. so back she goes!! at least I can sleep well tonight.... :)
 
#15 ·
Yea the n1 pumps seal really well on the r33 blocks. I have one in mine and it has been sweet for a long time now :)

Loads of sealent will do the trick;)

To avoid spilling water all over your floor again drain the block next time :)
 
#17 ·
interesting (did see that photo in my search mission the other night!)

N1 pump without the slot! This is the reason I pulled the pump - to confirm it was N1 spec by looking at the impeller!!

Regarding the slot, not sure why people go to all the bother of filling & drilling - just goo it up properly and should be no worries :)